Showing posts with label BNP. Show all posts
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Friday, 30 April 2010
Wednesday, 21 October 2009
The One That Is Saying Well Done. . .
I give the BBC stick quite a lot of the time, but I will always give credit where it is due, and it is due to the BBC trust this evening. They have decided that the BNP will appear on Question Time, I believe it is right a proper course of action for a party that holds two seats in the European Parliament and polled around a million votes in the recent election.
Usual and predictable caveat. Snowolf does not support the BNP and holds only one of their policies close to his heart, to get the UK out of the EU. Although I suspect we approach that conclusion from different angles.
I do not support the Labour party, nor the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats or the Green Party, but I understand that they have a role to play on a political discussion programme.
Again, as I've pointed out time and again, the only way to ensure the BNP go precisely nowhere (beyond actually representing and speaking for the people you claim to represent) is to give them every single opportunity to espouse their nonsense. People aren't stupid, they'll see them for what they are.
Peter Hain's protestations about them not being a legally constituted party were a right chuckle and hold very little water.
Personally, as far as I'm concerned, it is their party and they can have whatever rules they want, they can restrict membership to whites only, to men only, to married men only, to married white men aged 48 called Nigel and working as greengrocers only if they want. I don't care.
Whether they are 'legally constituted' or not really doesn't bother me, and it doesn't seem to be a condition of entry on to the panel of QT either. If it were, Ian Hislop, Janet Street-Parker, Him out of Blur and the Chakrabati woman wouldn't be able to go on either, they are not legally constituted parties, and no-one has ever voted for them.
Still, what's to stop the BNP from trotting out the same excuses given by the Labour politicians? They could have said it was a technical breach of the law, in the style of Baroness Scotland. They could have claimed that everyone knows who they are, so what's the problem? Like Harridan Harperson. They could have claimed it was an oversight or an error, like countless MPs. No-one would have believed them, but that doesn't seem to bother the others.
No, the BNP admitted that this was the case, and Nick Griffin gave an undertaking to rectify the situation. From where I'm sitting, and as reprehensible as he is, that puts him way ahead of a large number of other elected representatives, and maybe makes him less reprehensible than them. It is not only views which marks a person out, it is their actions and the way they conduct themselves.
I don't like them, but accept that until things change in this country, they are here to stay. I can deal with that, it would appear that many others cannot, and they would stamp out a corner of democracy in the name of the same.
For shame.
Usual and predictable caveat. Snowolf does not support the BNP and holds only one of their policies close to his heart, to get the UK out of the EU. Although I suspect we approach that conclusion from different angles.
I do not support the Labour party, nor the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats or the Green Party, but I understand that they have a role to play on a political discussion programme.
Again, as I've pointed out time and again, the only way to ensure the BNP go precisely nowhere (beyond actually representing and speaking for the people you claim to represent) is to give them every single opportunity to espouse their nonsense. People aren't stupid, they'll see them for what they are.
Peter Hain's protestations about them not being a legally constituted party were a right chuckle and hold very little water.
Personally, as far as I'm concerned, it is their party and they can have whatever rules they want, they can restrict membership to whites only, to men only, to married men only, to married white men aged 48 called Nigel and working as greengrocers only if they want. I don't care.
Whether they are 'legally constituted' or not really doesn't bother me, and it doesn't seem to be a condition of entry on to the panel of QT either. If it were, Ian Hislop, Janet Street-Parker, Him out of Blur and the Chakrabati woman wouldn't be able to go on either, they are not legally constituted parties, and no-one has ever voted for them.
Still, what's to stop the BNP from trotting out the same excuses given by the Labour politicians? They could have said it was a technical breach of the law, in the style of Baroness Scotland. They could have claimed that everyone knows who they are, so what's the problem? Like Harridan Harperson. They could have claimed it was an oversight or an error, like countless MPs. No-one would have believed them, but that doesn't seem to bother the others.
No, the BNP admitted that this was the case, and Nick Griffin gave an undertaking to rectify the situation. From where I'm sitting, and as reprehensible as he is, that puts him way ahead of a large number of other elected representatives, and maybe makes him less reprehensible than them. It is not only views which marks a person out, it is their actions and the way they conduct themselves.
I don't like them, but accept that until things change in this country, they are here to stay. I can deal with that, it would appear that many others cannot, and they would stamp out a corner of democracy in the name of the same.
For shame.
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Thursday, 15 October 2009
The One That Thinks It Could Make Quite A Difference. . .
Ah yes, our old friends the BNP.
Right, I'm not going to give the usual caveat here. The little icons dotted around this page make it perfectly clear who it is I support.
Looks like old Harridan Harperson is going to get what she wanted. It sits nicely with the old warning about being careful what you wish for.
Now as far as I'm concerned, it is a party with its own values. They are values I do not hold therefore I won't join them, just as a Labour supporter won't support Libertarian values and therefore won't be joining us. Fine.
Ahhh, yes, but black people can't join the BNP. Their rules don't allow it.
Well, fine. Their party, their rules.
I have a sneaking suspicion that not many black or Asian people would want to join the BNP, but discrimination is bad and it must be stamped out. The right of a hypothetical black person to join the BNP trumps the right of a very real BNP member to exclude them. I don't understand how one person's 'rights' can trump those of another, but there you go.
Let's just suppose for a minute that the BNP relents and alters it's constitution to allow 'non-indigenous non-Caucasian' people to join. What will the outcome be?
Will the BNP be flooded with ultra-nationalist Rastafarians and Taoists?
Doubtful.
Will the BNP find themselves hamstrung by a large faction coming into the party that is determined to work against their policies?
Possible, but then, the current BNP members will just leave and start up another party, so that won't work.
No, what would happen is that the BNP would hang an 'all welcome' sign on their front door, secure in the knowledge that the people they don't want to join, won't join. And then, when they start to appear on Question Time (which could be quite entertaining tonight given the reaction to their name last week, either that or someone released a shit load of snakes into the studio), the Big 3 will no longer be able to point their fingers and scream 'Racists!' at them, as they will have the constitution to prove they are not.
Much is written in the Libertarian blogosphere about this government's tactic of denormalising people, drinkers, smokers, the free of thought and will, but now Harman and her chums are doing something even more daft, they are normalising a party.
Eh? How's this going to work? On the one hand you use legislation to enforce your will and values on a political party. Legislation that, if the BNP have any sense, they won't break. So you can't very well screm 'Racist' at them anymore, what does that leave you? It is obvious you'll continue to do your best to ensure that they are shouted down at every opportunity, blocked from attending Parliament or debates and generally excluded, inspite of the fact that they are legitimately elected.
But of course, there's no room for views you don't like in your democracy.
The BNP will be able to point and give another example of the Labour mania for controlling anything their gaze happens to fall upon, and cries of 'but they're not very nice people' is hardly going to cut the ice, is it? Did they go to war in Iraq? Did they use expenses to fund their own companies? Did they promote their biggest trougher to the Lords to allow him to bleed us dry until the day he dies? Did they go back on a referendum promise? Did they desert their natural constituency in order to cling on to power? Did they plan a smear campaign against opposition MPs and then whine when they got caught out?
No.
The problem is, all of you Big 3, but specifically Labour, just because most people find the BNP objectionable, it doesn't follow that they like you any better, and at least the BNP are honest.
By enforcing normality upon them, you surrender your second biggest weapon against them and will do nothing more than generate sympathy for them, you will increase their membership as for many waverers using the law to force a political party to do as you want will be the straw that broke the camel's back.
It isn't the last straw for me, my camel's spinal cord was severed about nine years ago, but for a number of people this will be it, for others it will be what you do tomorrow.
What I don't understand is why you don't use the most effective weapon you have against the BNP; just let them talk. Or is it that you've made such a horlicks of your time in power that you are scared that the people you have a God given right to expect to turn out for you, will look at you, then at them, then back at you, and say to themselves; 'You know, this BNP lot aren't as half as bad as Labour'?
If that is the case, then who is to blame?
a) The BNP
b) Those two Irish lads on the X-Factor
c) The Cybermen
d) You
Right, I'm not going to give the usual caveat here. The little icons dotted around this page make it perfectly clear who it is I support.
Looks like old Harridan Harperson is going to get what she wanted. It sits nicely with the old warning about being careful what you wish for.
BNP leader Nick Griffin has agreed to ask his party to amend its constitution so it does not discriminate on grounds of race or religion, a court heard.
Now as far as I'm concerned, it is a party with its own values. They are values I do not hold therefore I won't join them, just as a Labour supporter won't support Libertarian values and therefore won't be joining us. Fine.
Ahhh, yes, but black people can't join the BNP. Their rules don't allow it.
Well, fine. Their party, their rules.
I have a sneaking suspicion that not many black or Asian people would want to join the BNP, but discrimination is bad and it must be stamped out. The right of a hypothetical black person to join the BNP trumps the right of a very real BNP member to exclude them. I don't understand how one person's 'rights' can trump those of another, but there you go.
Let's just suppose for a minute that the BNP relents and alters it's constitution to allow 'non-indigenous non-Caucasian' people to join. What will the outcome be?
Will the BNP be flooded with ultra-nationalist Rastafarians and Taoists?
Doubtful.
Will the BNP find themselves hamstrung by a large faction coming into the party that is determined to work against their policies?
Possible, but then, the current BNP members will just leave and start up another party, so that won't work.
No, what would happen is that the BNP would hang an 'all welcome' sign on their front door, secure in the knowledge that the people they don't want to join, won't join. And then, when they start to appear on Question Time (which could be quite entertaining tonight given the reaction to their name last week, either that or someone released a shit load of snakes into the studio), the Big 3 will no longer be able to point their fingers and scream 'Racists!' at them, as they will have the constitution to prove they are not.
Much is written in the Libertarian blogosphere about this government's tactic of denormalising people, drinkers, smokers, the free of thought and will, but now Harman and her chums are doing something even more daft, they are normalising a party.
Eh? How's this going to work? On the one hand you use legislation to enforce your will and values on a political party. Legislation that, if the BNP have any sense, they won't break. So you can't very well screm 'Racist' at them anymore, what does that leave you? It is obvious you'll continue to do your best to ensure that they are shouted down at every opportunity, blocked from attending Parliament or debates and generally excluded, inspite of the fact that they are legitimately elected.
But of course, there's no room for views you don't like in your democracy.
The BNP will be able to point and give another example of the Labour mania for controlling anything their gaze happens to fall upon, and cries of 'but they're not very nice people' is hardly going to cut the ice, is it? Did they go to war in Iraq? Did they use expenses to fund their own companies? Did they promote their biggest trougher to the Lords to allow him to bleed us dry until the day he dies? Did they go back on a referendum promise? Did they desert their natural constituency in order to cling on to power? Did they plan a smear campaign against opposition MPs and then whine when they got caught out?
No.
The problem is, all of you Big 3, but specifically Labour, just because most people find the BNP objectionable, it doesn't follow that they like you any better, and at least the BNP are honest.
By enforcing normality upon them, you surrender your second biggest weapon against them and will do nothing more than generate sympathy for them, you will increase their membership as for many waverers using the law to force a political party to do as you want will be the straw that broke the camel's back.
It isn't the last straw for me, my camel's spinal cord was severed about nine years ago, but for a number of people this will be it, for others it will be what you do tomorrow.
What I don't understand is why you don't use the most effective weapon you have against the BNP; just let them talk. Or is it that you've made such a horlicks of your time in power that you are scared that the people you have a God given right to expect to turn out for you, will look at you, then at them, then back at you, and say to themselves; 'You know, this BNP lot aren't as half as bad as Labour'?
If that is the case, then who is to blame?
a) The BNP
b) Those two Irish lads on the X-Factor
c) The Cybermen
d) You
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14:40
Monday, 8 June 2009
The One That Does Not Have An Opinion On Halal Meat. . .
I've tried to remain quite neutral about the BNP, I've made it perfectly clear that I don't support them, but I try to avoid repsonding to the bogeyman dogwhistle.
One of the advantages of having BNP MEPs is that the media will have to broadcast what they have to say. This is a good thing, because by giving these people a platform they will reveal themselves to be the loons they are.
It hasn't taken long to get started, I've just seen a montage of Andrew Brons, the BNP MEP who isn't Nick Griffin, burbling away on Sky News. Admittedly it was a montage, so the edit wasn't particularly sympathetic, but that doesn't alter what he said.
Predictably he wittered on about there being too many mosques. Yawn. Next. It was that next which made me sit up and take notice, he said that Halal meat wasn't to his taste and that it should be banned.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhtttttt.
OK.
I'm glad he thought it was so important as to raise it on his first day in the job, I must be lacking, because I've never given the subject any thought.
You see, stifle them, and they become interesting. Let them speak and people will edge away from them, whistling and looking as if they've spotted something interesting in the middle-distance.
One of the advantages of having BNP MEPs is that the media will have to broadcast what they have to say. This is a good thing, because by giving these people a platform they will reveal themselves to be the loons they are.
It hasn't taken long to get started, I've just seen a montage of Andrew Brons, the BNP MEP who isn't Nick Griffin, burbling away on Sky News. Admittedly it was a montage, so the edit wasn't particularly sympathetic, but that doesn't alter what he said.
Predictably he wittered on about there being too many mosques. Yawn. Next. It was that next which made me sit up and take notice, he said that Halal meat wasn't to his taste and that it should be banned.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhtttttt.
OK.
I'm glad he thought it was so important as to raise it on his first day in the job, I must be lacking, because I've never given the subject any thought.
You see, stifle them, and they become interesting. Let them speak and people will edge away from them, whistling and looking as if they've spotted something interesting in the middle-distance.
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16:21
Saturday, 23 May 2009
The One That Hasn't Received An Invite. . .
Anyone realised how much blogspace the BNP are taking up at the moment? Anyone would think that the MSM is right behind them, not a day goes by without a story talking about the 'danger' of the BNP or saying 'BNP - Boooooooo!' It's all a bit scary, isn't it?
Well, no, not really. I have little doubt that the BNP will pick up a seat or two in the coming Europeans, and I'd be very surprised if they didn't end up with a number of councillors in the locals. If there's a snap general election they're quite capable of picking up one or two Westminster seats as well.
Here's a newsflash; It wouldn't be the end of the world. Concentration camps would not be built on disused airfields, einsatzgruppen would not be despatched to Leicester and Bradford, we would not see flags involving eagles and lightning bolts flying over prominent public buildings.
When push comes to shove, a couple of BNP MEP's, councillors and MPs will make very little difference in the grand scheme of things. No-one seems to be making a fuss about the Greens being in a fairly similar position, but then of course the Greens aren't eeeeeeeeeevil.
Still, we must be fearful, the politicians in the established parties certainly are. Not because the British Reich is goose-stepping into Westminster and County Halls accross the land, but because it could be they who lose their jobs to the BNP. Well who's fault is that? Is it the BNP's fault for promoting policies which sit so well with the mindset of the British public? If it is, then absolutely the BNP should be given power, if they have the majority support then democracy demands it.
Of course they don't, so they won't. This whole argument is ridiculous, other than a few people who do support the BNP's aims and objectives, votes that they pick up will not be votes for the BNP, but votes against the established parties. The established parties have no-one else to blame but themselves for this.
The big three would have you believe that all protest votes will go to the BNP, just to keep the fear well fed and exercised. It won't, all the minority parties are expecting a day in the sun, and the PR in Europe could see some surprising people sent off to Brussels.
So instead they warn about voting for fringe parties. Well, fuck you. It isn't our duty to vote for only one of the three main parties, that isn't how it works. Deal with it, you have not only failed us, but have insulted us and stolen from us whilst you were at it. Still you refuse to accept that you've really done anything wrong. You'll pay for that.
Still the established parties scream 'political stunt' at the BNP. Is that what they are paid for? Pointing out the bleeding obvious? Of course Nick Griffin trying to engineer a ticket to The Queen's garden party is a political stunt. The man isn't an idiot, he knows full well that his attending this event is irrelevant, just a whisper that he might be rocking up to Buck House will put his face and his party's logo all over the broadcast media and national press. He whistles, the MSM and established parties come running.
It doesn't matter what you say about the BNP, we've all heard it a thousand times before, what is important from their point of view is that they are kept in the public eye in the run up to polling day, and that the public realise they are nothing like the big three. No broken promises, no outrageous manifesto breaches, no cash for peerages, no using those peerages to make the cash back in the Lords. Shits they may be, but at least they don't take the piss, and the big three are just as shitty. Where's the big difference? Labour, Tory, Lib Dem and BNP, they are all equally objectionable in their own ways.
So, if the BNP are to be barred from the Garden Party, I expect any person invited to be barred from attending if they are found to belong to any party. Or is that other perfectly legal parties believe that they are more equal? How many rabid republicans exist in Labour and Lib Dems? Is The Queen going to be comfortable with them poking around her flower beds? No such problems with the BNP.
Keep whining, keep pointing and shouting. All you do is weaken your own position. Fools.
I'll state again, I do not support the BNP and have no intention of voting for them. I have complete understanding for those who do vote for them, they feel they have nowhere left to go, and that is no fault of theirs.
Well, no, not really. I have little doubt that the BNP will pick up a seat or two in the coming Europeans, and I'd be very surprised if they didn't end up with a number of councillors in the locals. If there's a snap general election they're quite capable of picking up one or two Westminster seats as well.
Here's a newsflash; It wouldn't be the end of the world. Concentration camps would not be built on disused airfields, einsatzgruppen would not be despatched to Leicester and Bradford, we would not see flags involving eagles and lightning bolts flying over prominent public buildings.
When push comes to shove, a couple of BNP MEP's, councillors and MPs will make very little difference in the grand scheme of things. No-one seems to be making a fuss about the Greens being in a fairly similar position, but then of course the Greens aren't eeeeeeeeeevil.
Still, we must be fearful, the politicians in the established parties certainly are. Not because the British Reich is goose-stepping into Westminster and County Halls accross the land, but because it could be they who lose their jobs to the BNP. Well who's fault is that? Is it the BNP's fault for promoting policies which sit so well with the mindset of the British public? If it is, then absolutely the BNP should be given power, if they have the majority support then democracy demands it.
Of course they don't, so they won't. This whole argument is ridiculous, other than a few people who do support the BNP's aims and objectives, votes that they pick up will not be votes for the BNP, but votes against the established parties. The established parties have no-one else to blame but themselves for this.
The big three would have you believe that all protest votes will go to the BNP, just to keep the fear well fed and exercised. It won't, all the minority parties are expecting a day in the sun, and the PR in Europe could see some surprising people sent off to Brussels.
So instead they warn about voting for fringe parties. Well, fuck you. It isn't our duty to vote for only one of the three main parties, that isn't how it works. Deal with it, you have not only failed us, but have insulted us and stolen from us whilst you were at it. Still you refuse to accept that you've really done anything wrong. You'll pay for that.
Still the established parties scream 'political stunt' at the BNP. Is that what they are paid for? Pointing out the bleeding obvious? Of course Nick Griffin trying to engineer a ticket to The Queen's garden party is a political stunt. The man isn't an idiot, he knows full well that his attending this event is irrelevant, just a whisper that he might be rocking up to Buck House will put his face and his party's logo all over the broadcast media and national press. He whistles, the MSM and established parties come running.
It doesn't matter what you say about the BNP, we've all heard it a thousand times before, what is important from their point of view is that they are kept in the public eye in the run up to polling day, and that the public realise they are nothing like the big three. No broken promises, no outrageous manifesto breaches, no cash for peerages, no using those peerages to make the cash back in the Lords. Shits they may be, but at least they don't take the piss, and the big three are just as shitty. Where's the big difference? Labour, Tory, Lib Dem and BNP, they are all equally objectionable in their own ways.
So, if the BNP are to be barred from the Garden Party, I expect any person invited to be barred from attending if they are found to belong to any party. Or is that other perfectly legal parties believe that they are more equal? How many rabid republicans exist in Labour and Lib Dems? Is The Queen going to be comfortable with them poking around her flower beds? No such problems with the BNP.
Keep whining, keep pointing and shouting. All you do is weaken your own position. Fools.
I'll state again, I do not support the BNP and have no intention of voting for them. I have complete understanding for those who do vote for them, they feel they have nowhere left to go, and that is no fault of theirs.
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Wednesday, 20 May 2009
The One That Hopes It Is A Typo . . .

Or does it really reveal some good old BBC bias?
In this article from Pravda which casts an eye over the chances of the English Democrats in the forthcoming European elections, it reads in part:
The UK Independence Party (UKIP) appears to be the main beneficiary of public anger over the MPs' expenses scandal, while the British National Party (UKIP) believes it is on the verge of gaining its first seats in the European Parliament.
Hmmm, is that people really feel in White City, or is it just a typo? Let's see how they take to change it. . .
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13:48
Tuesday, 12 May 2009
The One That May Pay A Visit To The Bookies. . .
Interesting to note that on an opinion poll used by Sky News this morning, given the +/- 2% margin of error, Labour could even be in third place as things stand (Con 39, Lab 26, LD 22, Others 13), this equates to around a 100 seat majority for Blue Labour if there were an election tomorrow. Except it wouldn't. With news this morning coming out about Tories claiming for moats, swimming pools, helipads and the like, one can only assume that any polls taken over the next day or two will result in a significant bounce for the Social Democrats who have been untouched as yet. That'll change though, because they are all at it. Even if they're not, that will be the public's view. Look for the 'others' column to increase over the next couple of weeks.
Make no mistake, the Telegraph are saving the best (worst?) for last, and any significant revelations about Labour MP's coming just as we go to the real polls for what promises to be a catastrophic display in the Europeans and locals for Labour could well bring Brown, if not the Government, down. I can't see the Labour membership wearing a third Prime Minister in one Parliamentary term, any such leader would be as effective as a window box on a submarine.
It has been clear for some time that Labour's chances of winning the next General Election are rated between slim and none, but that doesn't mean that Labour will sit back and wait for the welcoming embrace of death, they will do everything they can to make life for a new Tory administration as uncomfortable as possible. Brown isn't so deluded that he thinks he can win, but he can't very well come out and say 'well folks, we're fucked'.
This expenses carry on could actually be quite useful for Labour. Their stock is so damaged that really it can't get any worse, look at those figures again, they are within a whisker of being in third place, factor in votes for the SNP and Plaid Cymru and it is not impossible to imagine them being returned to the House in third place.
Calling an October election would mean that the damage to the Tories over this affair could be maximised. They'd still win, but it would have to have a fairly significant effect on their share of the vote and seats. If the news really got that bad, people would get very angry and make that known at the ballot box.
Here is the bit where Labour could be deluded though, they know that they will lose ground to the BNP and a few to the LibDems, but they don't make the connection. The Tories know that they would lose ground to UKIP, and a few to the LibDems, they too don't make the connection.
The problem with this expenses story is that the main parties will seize upon this as the reason for the expansion of those on the margins, but they'd be wrong. It is certainly a contributory factor, perhaps even the straw that broke the camel's back, but if they think that after one turbulent parliamentary term, that people will just shuffle back to their default positions, they could be in for a shock.
Expect big changes, expect sack cloth and ashes from the MPs representing the established parties, whilst those elected from BNP and UKIP (and I would be astounded if there aren't any) hit them with expenses, expenses, expenses time and time again. Expenses will be the only show in town for some considerable time.
But it isn't the only show, there will be remorse shown and claims of leopards changing their spots, but it won't matter. The established parties will still have this idea that they are the natural party of government, they still won't listen to what the electorate want, they will carry on ruling by dictat, spin and deception. After an October election, called to limit the majority of the incoming government, all three parties will be damaged and the electorate may finally realise the power that little ballot paper holds.
Summer of rage? Forget it. Let's have an Autumn of Revenge instead.
Make no mistake, the Telegraph are saving the best (worst?) for last, and any significant revelations about Labour MP's coming just as we go to the real polls for what promises to be a catastrophic display in the Europeans and locals for Labour could well bring Brown, if not the Government, down. I can't see the Labour membership wearing a third Prime Minister in one Parliamentary term, any such leader would be as effective as a window box on a submarine.
It has been clear for some time that Labour's chances of winning the next General Election are rated between slim and none, but that doesn't mean that Labour will sit back and wait for the welcoming embrace of death, they will do everything they can to make life for a new Tory administration as uncomfortable as possible. Brown isn't so deluded that he thinks he can win, but he can't very well come out and say 'well folks, we're fucked'.
This expenses carry on could actually be quite useful for Labour. Their stock is so damaged that really it can't get any worse, look at those figures again, they are within a whisker of being in third place, factor in votes for the SNP and Plaid Cymru and it is not impossible to imagine them being returned to the House in third place.
Calling an October election would mean that the damage to the Tories over this affair could be maximised. They'd still win, but it would have to have a fairly significant effect on their share of the vote and seats. If the news really got that bad, people would get very angry and make that known at the ballot box.
Here is the bit where Labour could be deluded though, they know that they will lose ground to the BNP and a few to the LibDems, but they don't make the connection. The Tories know that they would lose ground to UKIP, and a few to the LibDems, they too don't make the connection.
The problem with this expenses story is that the main parties will seize upon this as the reason for the expansion of those on the margins, but they'd be wrong. It is certainly a contributory factor, perhaps even the straw that broke the camel's back, but if they think that after one turbulent parliamentary term, that people will just shuffle back to their default positions, they could be in for a shock.
Expect big changes, expect sack cloth and ashes from the MPs representing the established parties, whilst those elected from BNP and UKIP (and I would be astounded if there aren't any) hit them with expenses, expenses, expenses time and time again. Expenses will be the only show in town for some considerable time.
But it isn't the only show, there will be remorse shown and claims of leopards changing their spots, but it won't matter. The established parties will still have this idea that they are the natural party of government, they still won't listen to what the electorate want, they will carry on ruling by dictat, spin and deception. After an October election, called to limit the majority of the incoming government, all three parties will be damaged and the electorate may finally realise the power that little ballot paper holds.
Summer of rage? Forget it. Let's have an Autumn of Revenge instead.
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08:26
Monday, 4 May 2009
The One That Is Amazed How They Still Don't Get It. . .
The penny is finally starting to drop.
The press and, if my experience is anything to go by, the public are salivating at the prospect of a shed load of MPs being undone by their venal expenses claims.
The Cabinet are starting to fall upon one another like a pack of ravenous hounds as criticism is followed by denial, followed by infighting, followed by calls for unity. I can only ever see a call for unity as a call to get behind the person calling for unity. Brown’s colleagues are starting to edge away from the ranting madman in front of them to the door marked ‘emergency exit’, no-one wanting to be the first to hit the push-bar and setting off the alarm, even fewer wanting to be the last to get through. The New Labour project really is in its last days, the air in Number 10 and on the government front benches is heavy with the stench of decay.
The facts of the matter are this; ever since Brown and Blair’s New Labour project has been put into action, the humiliation of the party has been as certain as night following day. From day one, with celebrities queuing up to get into Downing Street for a photo-op, (wherefore now, Oasis, Damon Albarn, Bonio and other celebs?), an obsession with the projection of image over every other consideration, spin, spin, spin, spin and more spin, incredible hubris, vanity and arrogance, from that very first moment, Labour were destined to consume themselves in a Bacchanalian feast that they thought would last for ever. Just as the banks gorged themselves on financial capital that didn’t exist, Labour have gorged themselves on an equally imagined political capital.
They are utterly discredited. They have betrayed those whom they promised the Earth in 1997, they have angered the rest of the population, they pick battles they cannot win against those with huge popular support, and make pronouncements they cannot back-up, or promise referenda they have no intention of delivering. They seek to control every aspect our lives, record where we go, with whom we speak, which websites we visit, to whom we send emails, or chat with on Facebook. They demand our most personal genetic and biometric data, demand we place our children on a database for their safety and security, whilst using the same argument to exclude the recording of their own progeny. The bleating of ‘four legs good, two legs baaaaad’ from the farm is audible from the bar of the village pub, crippled with enormous tax hikes, a ban on smoking and a government health inspector tut-tutting as people drink their beer and noting down who consumes what, lest that information should be needed in the future. And whilst they do all this, they cream millions of pounds of our money off into their pockets like tinpot dictators of flyblown, swamp-ridden African countries.
Not one of them, not one, has the self-awareness or decency to hold their hands up to the offences committed against this country. The deceit and deception is total, and still as the slow, painful and bloody end approaches, the party nobility just do not get it, they deceive even themselves. Neil Kinnock has told the Guardian this morning that this squabbling is ‘ludicrous and damaging’ and that the jockeying for position in anticipation of the inevitable will ‘hand victories to the BNP’.
Well, no Neil, you’re wrong. I don’t quite understand how one man with such a long political history can have been so successful despite being so wrong, so much of the time. No-one is going to vote BNP because Harriet doesn’t like Hazel, Hazel doesn’t like Ed, Ed doesn’t like David, David can’t stand Maragaret, Margaret abhors Alistair, Alistair hates Charles and everyone despises Gordon. What do we expect? They’d all walk upon disabled babies to sit in that big chair. We understand they all want power, it is just that we don’t want Labour to have it, they’ve had it for 12 years and have squandered the opportunities afforded to them.
People aren’t going to vote BNP because of your little rows, Neil, people will vote BNP because they have cleverly and skilfully positioned themselves to occupy the space vacated by the party, who charged on the attack, like Pyrrhus, to this authoritarian ground where control over everyone, everything, must be complete.
The only remaining question to be answered will be whether those in charge of the project have the courage to administer the injection, putting their pet to sleep, or whether they will sit back and watch in denial as it lies on the floor fighting to catch its final breath.
The press and, if my experience is anything to go by, the public are salivating at the prospect of a shed load of MPs being undone by their venal expenses claims.
The Cabinet are starting to fall upon one another like a pack of ravenous hounds as criticism is followed by denial, followed by infighting, followed by calls for unity. I can only ever see a call for unity as a call to get behind the person calling for unity. Brown’s colleagues are starting to edge away from the ranting madman in front of them to the door marked ‘emergency exit’, no-one wanting to be the first to hit the push-bar and setting off the alarm, even fewer wanting to be the last to get through. The New Labour project really is in its last days, the air in Number 10 and on the government front benches is heavy with the stench of decay.
The facts of the matter are this; ever since Brown and Blair’s New Labour project has been put into action, the humiliation of the party has been as certain as night following day. From day one, with celebrities queuing up to get into Downing Street for a photo-op, (wherefore now, Oasis, Damon Albarn, Bonio and other celebs?), an obsession with the projection of image over every other consideration, spin, spin, spin, spin and more spin, incredible hubris, vanity and arrogance, from that very first moment, Labour were destined to consume themselves in a Bacchanalian feast that they thought would last for ever. Just as the banks gorged themselves on financial capital that didn’t exist, Labour have gorged themselves on an equally imagined political capital.
They are utterly discredited. They have betrayed those whom they promised the Earth in 1997, they have angered the rest of the population, they pick battles they cannot win against those with huge popular support, and make pronouncements they cannot back-up, or promise referenda they have no intention of delivering. They seek to control every aspect our lives, record where we go, with whom we speak, which websites we visit, to whom we send emails, or chat with on Facebook. They demand our most personal genetic and biometric data, demand we place our children on a database for their safety and security, whilst using the same argument to exclude the recording of their own progeny. The bleating of ‘four legs good, two legs baaaaad’ from the farm is audible from the bar of the village pub, crippled with enormous tax hikes, a ban on smoking and a government health inspector tut-tutting as people drink their beer and noting down who consumes what, lest that information should be needed in the future. And whilst they do all this, they cream millions of pounds of our money off into their pockets like tinpot dictators of flyblown, swamp-ridden African countries.
Not one of them, not one, has the self-awareness or decency to hold their hands up to the offences committed against this country. The deceit and deception is total, and still as the slow, painful and bloody end approaches, the party nobility just do not get it, they deceive even themselves. Neil Kinnock has told the Guardian this morning that this squabbling is ‘ludicrous and damaging’ and that the jockeying for position in anticipation of the inevitable will ‘hand victories to the BNP’.
Well, no Neil, you’re wrong. I don’t quite understand how one man with such a long political history can have been so successful despite being so wrong, so much of the time. No-one is going to vote BNP because Harriet doesn’t like Hazel, Hazel doesn’t like Ed, Ed doesn’t like David, David can’t stand Maragaret, Margaret abhors Alistair, Alistair hates Charles and everyone despises Gordon. What do we expect? They’d all walk upon disabled babies to sit in that big chair. We understand they all want power, it is just that we don’t want Labour to have it, they’ve had it for 12 years and have squandered the opportunities afforded to them.
People aren’t going to vote BNP because of your little rows, Neil, people will vote BNP because they have cleverly and skilfully positioned themselves to occupy the space vacated by the party, who charged on the attack, like Pyrrhus, to this authoritarian ground where control over everyone, everything, must be complete.
The only remaining question to be answered will be whether those in charge of the project have the courage to administer the injection, putting their pet to sleep, or whether they will sit back and watch in denial as it lies on the floor fighting to catch its final breath.
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at
08:00
Friday, 10 April 2009
The One That Is Reading The Tea Leaves. . .
I do not like the BNP.
I think I’ve made that quite clear over the time I’ve been writing here.
Harridan Harperson has told the Indie that "Certainly they [the BNP] are a bigger threat than they have been before."
But what does she mean by that? A quite reasonable explanation is that the BNP pose a very real threat to the liberties enjoyed by people living in this country. Of course, I would maintain that coming from an increasingly and alarmingly authoritarian government, that is a bit rich.
Do I support the BNP in anything? Only in their desire to remove us from the EU. Beyond that, there is no common ground between the BNP and I.
Make no mistake about it, Labour will not win the next General Election, the Tories will sweep into power with a very healthy majority. Labour could find themselves in a very dark place if Plaid Cymru and the SNP continue their recent gains. But what happens in the election after that?
How long will it take the electorate to realise that they’ve swapped one government, for another that really offers so little difference that they are almost indistinguishable from that which has gone before?
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that the election after next could see a hung parliament? It is unlikely that the Big Two will lose their position at the top table any time soon, but as they become more and more homogenous, and unable to effect any real change due to the primacy of the EU, will it drive turn-out down, or push people to smaller parties?
I don’t think it is too far fetched to envision a chamber with a splattering of MPs from UKIP, Greens, BNP perhaps even we Libertarians, and substantial gains from the Welsh and Scottish nationalists. This could make a serviceable majority problematic or even impossible. A chamber looking like that would mean that the Big Two (and I’m sorry LibDems, all I see is stagnation from you, the others have muscled in on your territory and you are in danger of being rendered totally irrelevant) would HAVE to compromise and offer some fairly large inducements for the others to play ball.
Could the Tories afford to leave a number of UKIP MPs in the cold and risk open war with their EUrosceptic wing? How would Labour reach out to some truly socialist MPs without empowering the awkward squad? Would the chamber be so volatile and unpredicatble that both the Tories and Labour would have to go and talk turkey with a handful of BNP MPs to get the job done?
I don’t think Labour are worried about losing the next General Election, all but the most deluded are already resigned to it, but they will do what they can to smear and darken the name of the Tories in the process of defeat, Guido says this morning that the next election is likely to be very dirty and negative, and I think he’s right on the money.
The threat from the BNP is not towards our way of life, they just won’t get enough power to make that happen. The threat from the BNP is towards Labour certainly, and the Tories in the future if they continue to act as Blue Labour. Both the Labour and Conservative parties act as if they have some God given right to govern, and they don’t.
Small party gains could make that difficult for them and the BNP provide a nice bogeyman. If a BNP candidate were to be returned to Westminster, there would be rending of hair and gnashing of teeth in the red and blue sections. Imagine how ashamed we would be made to feel, the Mother of Parliaments in the country that fought Hitler, electing a nasty National Socialist or two. Of course, UKIP, Libertarians, English Democrats et al, we’d all be like the BNP. Well, the prime BNP agenda is to pull out of the EU, all the little anti parties would walk through and vote with them for a referrendum on that policy, how could we not be alike?
And just as with Harperson’s battle bus, it doesn’t matter what you call people any more. Leg-Iron is right, it’s been done that many times, and for so long, it doesn’t mean anything any more. Call me what you like, I know what I am, what I feel and what I believe in, and I don’t particularly care if you agree or approve. There are those who have been called racist so many times that they’ve concluded that they must be, so the BNP must be their natural party.
It isn’t that the BNP are hell bent on introducing a Thousand Year British Reich and that more and more people agree with them, the cause is that you have left people with no alternative but to go to the wings. The way you bloat yourselves on our money, aggrandise yourselves, belittle us, lecture us, tell us ‘Thou Shalt Not’ and ignore our requests, means there is no room on the stage, and the people on the wings will push back, lest they fall off completely.
It is your arrogance and vanity that prevents you from seeing that you are architects of your own downfall, incompetent and hubristic rulers making vain proclamations from castles made of sand. The tide is coming in, and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Nothing, except real and meaningful change. I doubt you have the courage or self awareness to do that.
I think I’ve made that quite clear over the time I’ve been writing here.
Harridan Harperson has told the Indie that "Certainly they [the BNP] are a bigger threat than they have been before."
But what does she mean by that? A quite reasonable explanation is that the BNP pose a very real threat to the liberties enjoyed by people living in this country. Of course, I would maintain that coming from an increasingly and alarmingly authoritarian government, that is a bit rich.
Do I support the BNP in anything? Only in their desire to remove us from the EU. Beyond that, there is no common ground between the BNP and I.
Make no mistake about it, Labour will not win the next General Election, the Tories will sweep into power with a very healthy majority. Labour could find themselves in a very dark place if Plaid Cymru and the SNP continue their recent gains. But what happens in the election after that?
How long will it take the electorate to realise that they’ve swapped one government, for another that really offers so little difference that they are almost indistinguishable from that which has gone before?
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that the election after next could see a hung parliament? It is unlikely that the Big Two will lose their position at the top table any time soon, but as they become more and more homogenous, and unable to effect any real change due to the primacy of the EU, will it drive turn-out down, or push people to smaller parties?
I don’t think it is too far fetched to envision a chamber with a splattering of MPs from UKIP, Greens, BNP perhaps even we Libertarians, and substantial gains from the Welsh and Scottish nationalists. This could make a serviceable majority problematic or even impossible. A chamber looking like that would mean that the Big Two (and I’m sorry LibDems, all I see is stagnation from you, the others have muscled in on your territory and you are in danger of being rendered totally irrelevant) would HAVE to compromise and offer some fairly large inducements for the others to play ball.
Could the Tories afford to leave a number of UKIP MPs in the cold and risk open war with their EUrosceptic wing? How would Labour reach out to some truly socialist MPs without empowering the awkward squad? Would the chamber be so volatile and unpredicatble that both the Tories and Labour would have to go and talk turkey with a handful of BNP MPs to get the job done?
I don’t think Labour are worried about losing the next General Election, all but the most deluded are already resigned to it, but they will do what they can to smear and darken the name of the Tories in the process of defeat, Guido says this morning that the next election is likely to be very dirty and negative, and I think he’s right on the money.
The threat from the BNP is not towards our way of life, they just won’t get enough power to make that happen. The threat from the BNP is towards Labour certainly, and the Tories in the future if they continue to act as Blue Labour. Both the Labour and Conservative parties act as if they have some God given right to govern, and they don’t.
Small party gains could make that difficult for them and the BNP provide a nice bogeyman. If a BNP candidate were to be returned to Westminster, there would be rending of hair and gnashing of teeth in the red and blue sections. Imagine how ashamed we would be made to feel, the Mother of Parliaments in the country that fought Hitler, electing a nasty National Socialist or two. Of course, UKIP, Libertarians, English Democrats et al, we’d all be like the BNP. Well, the prime BNP agenda is to pull out of the EU, all the little anti parties would walk through and vote with them for a referrendum on that policy, how could we not be alike?
And just as with Harperson’s battle bus, it doesn’t matter what you call people any more. Leg-Iron is right, it’s been done that many times, and for so long, it doesn’t mean anything any more. Call me what you like, I know what I am, what I feel and what I believe in, and I don’t particularly care if you agree or approve. There are those who have been called racist so many times that they’ve concluded that they must be, so the BNP must be their natural party.
It isn’t that the BNP are hell bent on introducing a Thousand Year British Reich and that more and more people agree with them, the cause is that you have left people with no alternative but to go to the wings. The way you bloat yourselves on our money, aggrandise yourselves, belittle us, lecture us, tell us ‘Thou Shalt Not’ and ignore our requests, means there is no room on the stage, and the people on the wings will push back, lest they fall off completely.
It is your arrogance and vanity that prevents you from seeing that you are architects of your own downfall, incompetent and hubristic rulers making vain proclamations from castles made of sand. The tide is coming in, and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Nothing, except real and meaningful change. I doubt you have the courage or self awareness to do that.
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12:34
Saturday, 21 March 2009
The One That Hates To Agree With Them . . .
The BNP really are starting to emerge (as one correspondent, I think at OH's place, put it) from being a big little party, to a little big party. It gives me no pleasure to say it, but I shall resist the dog whistle reaction and attempt to address the issue in an emotionally detached manner.
In one respect, that being our departure from the EU, I agree with the BNP. I do not think I agree with them on any other subject.
Pravda report that there is an anti-BNP rally being planned in the delightful Kentish town of Chatham, it seems to be an attempt to shame people into not voting BNP. That is bad campaigning, I want to know why I should vote for a party, not that party saying why I shouldn't vote for their competitors.
A BNP spokesman said the rally was run by "Labour front" groups trying to "pull the wool over people's eyes". And it's hard not to agree with him. I had a conversation on this subject with a young lady this afternoon. She reacted with horror when I said I wanted us to leave the EU. In her mind, I was shutting the doors to the world, no trade in, no trade out, no-one moving between the UK and anywhere else.
That simply isn't the case, but the big 3 and MSM condition you to think that if you aren't pro-EU you are a rabid racist/isolationist.
I put my point of view in fairly simplistic, but effective terms. Knowing she doesn't drink it, I offered the young lady a cup of coffee. She said she didn't want a cup of coffee. I them immediately set about brow-beating her for being a drunkard, drinking nothing but vodka and getting pissed up all the time.
She quite reasonably pointed out that she'd like a cup of tea. Of course it doesn't follow that if you don't like coffee you drink your weight in vodka every day, there are alternatives. Well, the EU is that cup of coffee I don't want. I'll settle for a cup of tea as well.
Pravda also report that Merseyside PC, Steve Bettley has been given the gooner following his name being discovered on the infamous BNP member list that was leaked a little while ago. I disagree with police officers being prohibited from membership of any party, but believe that all police officers should check their political affiliations at the door when they walk into the station. It's a shame that senior officers can't do this. But it was ever thus, one rule for us, one for them.
Bettley has denied being a member (well, he would, wouldn't he?), and the BNP has waded in, with spokesman Simon Darby saying 'We are well on the way to being a totalitarian state.'
Well, yes. Labour, Tories, LibDems are bad. Think the BNP would be any different? Not for one moment.
In one respect, that being our departure from the EU, I agree with the BNP. I do not think I agree with them on any other subject.
Pravda report that there is an anti-BNP rally being planned in the delightful Kentish town of Chatham, it seems to be an attempt to shame people into not voting BNP. That is bad campaigning, I want to know why I should vote for a party, not that party saying why I shouldn't vote for their competitors.
A BNP spokesman said the rally was run by "Labour front" groups trying to "pull the wool over people's eyes". And it's hard not to agree with him. I had a conversation on this subject with a young lady this afternoon. She reacted with horror when I said I wanted us to leave the EU. In her mind, I was shutting the doors to the world, no trade in, no trade out, no-one moving between the UK and anywhere else.
That simply isn't the case, but the big 3 and MSM condition you to think that if you aren't pro-EU you are a rabid racist/isolationist.
I put my point of view in fairly simplistic, but effective terms. Knowing she doesn't drink it, I offered the young lady a cup of coffee. She said she didn't want a cup of coffee. I them immediately set about brow-beating her for being a drunkard, drinking nothing but vodka and getting pissed up all the time.
She quite reasonably pointed out that she'd like a cup of tea. Of course it doesn't follow that if you don't like coffee you drink your weight in vodka every day, there are alternatives. Well, the EU is that cup of coffee I don't want. I'll settle for a cup of tea as well.
Pravda also report that Merseyside PC, Steve Bettley has been given the gooner following his name being discovered on the infamous BNP member list that was leaked a little while ago. I disagree with police officers being prohibited from membership of any party, but believe that all police officers should check their political affiliations at the door when they walk into the station. It's a shame that senior officers can't do this. But it was ever thus, one rule for us, one for them.
Bettley has denied being a member (well, he would, wouldn't he?), and the BNP has waded in, with spokesman Simon Darby saying 'We are well on the way to being a totalitarian state.'
Well, yes. Labour, Tories, LibDems are bad. Think the BNP would be any different? Not for one moment.
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Snowolf
at
19:28
Saturday, 21 February 2009
The One That Wonders If They Believe In Anything. . .
Interesting to see how Peter Hain has responded to the news that the BNP took a seat on Sevenoaks Council. This may come as a huge surprise to you all, but I'm not a big fan of Hain, he reminds me of a spiv and I really can't think of a Labour politician I trust less. I don't hate him as much as some of them, seeing Brown, Blears, Harperson, Straw, Mandlesnake, Smith et al almost drives me to violence, I see Hain and when he speaks a little voice in my head says 'Let's be clear, the moon is made of cheese, I invented Thursdays and when Tony Blair takes a piss, a stream of rose petals issues forth.'
Anyhow, being a founder member of the Anti-Nazi League, Hain is obviously very concerned about this and other recent success. I must admit, I'm not concerned about it at all, I dislike the BNP intensely but I see the value in them having a degree of success because the BNP do not attract votes, people are driven to voting for them by the main political parties being so terribly, rage inducingly piss poor. Even now the fact that BNP have taken a sizeable chunk of Labour's vote in Sevenoaks (no swing to or from the Tories who remained static) is being dismissed as a protest vote. I really do hope the BNP take a seat or two in the next General Election, you can't claim it is a protest then, it is a verdict on the self-serving hopelessness of the big three.
So how to stop this march towards the facist, authoritarian distopia that the BNP would provide and ensure we carry on the march towards the facist, authoritarian distopia that New Labour are ushering in? It would be terrible to live in a totalitarian state, can you imagine living in a country where you are banned from protesting, kept under constant surveillance, issued with papers to be provided on demand, subject to detention without charge by a politicised police force? It would be. . . oh. . . hang on. . . shit! Why didn't anyone see this was happening? I mean, they said it was for our own safety, they said people were coming up to ministers on the street and asking when they could have ID Cards, was this a fib? Have we been subjected to a propaganda campaign? Next they'll be nationalising banks and talking about taking the means of industrial production into hand by sinking large amounts of public funds into things like car manufacture. . . oh fuck. . . it's happening isn't it? And what happens to all these draconian laws when a BNP government takes over? Jesus, we've laid the groundwork for them.
Quick, got to stop them getting into power, how do we do that? How does a Labour party with policies the total opposite of the BNP defeat this menace?
Hain's had a good idea, rather than engage in debate with them and show them up to be the narrow minded thugs they are, albeit with similar concerns to some of the electorate, Hain has decided that the best way is to adopt some of their policies! So much for being a founder member of the ANL then.
He suggests the government needs to make sure local workers are given priority for jobs over nasty foreigners. Well, that's a step, when are we leaving the EU, then? What's next? Banning the teaching of Islam in schools? I'd support that, but only if it were in partnership of all religious teaching in school, there's no room or need for it. What about all the foreigners who leak through the airports and the channel seaports? We can't keep giving houses to them, it takes housing that is rightfully that of our young teenage single mothers.
By adopting one or two of the BNP's policies, Labour will seek to claw back the more moderate of the BNP supporters in the fold. The big difference being that the BNP would indeed deliver on their promises if given the opportunity, you have to at least respect them for that, Labour are, yet again, making promises that they have no intention of keeping, nor any prospect of unless there is a MAJOR shift in their policy.
The outcome? More of the same, when the public realise that they are being lied to, it will increase the BNP share of the vote, not decrease it and Labour will continue to be the architect of their own downfall.
The final question I have, is there nothing that Labour will not say or do to cling desperately on to power? It doesn't look like it to me. If they were being honest they'd say, look, this foreign workers thing, that's the EU for you, we're in it, we're not going to countenance leaving it so either back us or vote elsewhere. But they won't do that because it would cost them votes and that is more important than honesty or integrity. The same goes for all of the big three.
Anyhow, being a founder member of the Anti-Nazi League, Hain is obviously very concerned about this and other recent success. I must admit, I'm not concerned about it at all, I dislike the BNP intensely but I see the value in them having a degree of success because the BNP do not attract votes, people are driven to voting for them by the main political parties being so terribly, rage inducingly piss poor. Even now the fact that BNP have taken a sizeable chunk of Labour's vote in Sevenoaks (no swing to or from the Tories who remained static) is being dismissed as a protest vote. I really do hope the BNP take a seat or two in the next General Election, you can't claim it is a protest then, it is a verdict on the self-serving hopelessness of the big three.
So how to stop this march towards the facist, authoritarian distopia that the BNP would provide and ensure we carry on the march towards the facist, authoritarian distopia that New Labour are ushering in? It would be terrible to live in a totalitarian state, can you imagine living in a country where you are banned from protesting, kept under constant surveillance, issued with papers to be provided on demand, subject to detention without charge by a politicised police force? It would be. . . oh. . . hang on. . . shit! Why didn't anyone see this was happening? I mean, they said it was for our own safety, they said people were coming up to ministers on the street and asking when they could have ID Cards, was this a fib? Have we been subjected to a propaganda campaign? Next they'll be nationalising banks and talking about taking the means of industrial production into hand by sinking large amounts of public funds into things like car manufacture. . . oh fuck. . . it's happening isn't it? And what happens to all these draconian laws when a BNP government takes over? Jesus, we've laid the groundwork for them.
Quick, got to stop them getting into power, how do we do that? How does a Labour party with policies the total opposite of the BNP defeat this menace?
Hain's had a good idea, rather than engage in debate with them and show them up to be the narrow minded thugs they are, albeit with similar concerns to some of the electorate, Hain has decided that the best way is to adopt some of their policies! So much for being a founder member of the ANL then.
He suggests the government needs to make sure local workers are given priority for jobs over nasty foreigners. Well, that's a step, when are we leaving the EU, then? What's next? Banning the teaching of Islam in schools? I'd support that, but only if it were in partnership of all religious teaching in school, there's no room or need for it. What about all the foreigners who leak through the airports and the channel seaports? We can't keep giving houses to them, it takes housing that is rightfully that of our young teenage single mothers.
By adopting one or two of the BNP's policies, Labour will seek to claw back the more moderate of the BNP supporters in the fold. The big difference being that the BNP would indeed deliver on their promises if given the opportunity, you have to at least respect them for that, Labour are, yet again, making promises that they have no intention of keeping, nor any prospect of unless there is a MAJOR shift in their policy.
The outcome? More of the same, when the public realise that they are being lied to, it will increase the BNP share of the vote, not decrease it and Labour will continue to be the architect of their own downfall.
The final question I have, is there nothing that Labour will not say or do to cling desperately on to power? It doesn't look like it to me. If they were being honest they'd say, look, this foreign workers thing, that's the EU for you, we're in it, we're not going to countenance leaving it so either back us or vote elsewhere. But they won't do that because it would cost them votes and that is more important than honesty or integrity. The same goes for all of the big three.
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19:47
Friday, 21 November 2008
The One That Is Going To Buy A Tin Helmet. . .
Leg-Iron wrote a truly astouding article on the drivellings of some Daily Mirror hack who has effectively called for radical groups to visit violence upon those who are members of the BNP. Indeed Leg-Iron is swiftly becoming one of the best writers out there. So good is he, that I expect to see him carted off in a police car for terror offences before long.
The gist of the article is that people like the moronic Brian Reade have been able to pick on vilified individuals like smokers, drinkers, the obese, Daniel O'Donnell fans, etc without any fear of reprisals as they are but individuals. There may be many like them, but they have no association. The problem begins when you incite violence against an organisation that has a good number of members and even more non-member supporters, they will respond in an organised fashion and it can only escalate. It is the few little stones slipping at the top of the mountain that results in the catastrophic avalanche at the bottom.
The little stones have slipped.
A car has been burned out on an estate (that apparently has no history of such activities) on a road, outside a house of one of those who was listed on the BNP membership document that was leaked.
- It is irrelevant that the car may not have belonged to a BNP member. It will have turned up the pressure a notch.
- It is irrelevant that those who set light to it may not be members of any black radical group. The real perpetrator is unlikely to identify themselves, the perception will be that it was someone who is a member of, or sympathetic to black radical groups. It will have turned up the pressure a notch.
- It is irrelevant that the person on this estate may have a wife, children, elderly relatives, now angry and fearful for their property and their lives. It will have turned up the pressure a notch.
- It is irrelevant that this guy's next door neighbour has seen his car torched, it doesn't belong to the BNP member. He now feels anger towards this anonymous group, whether they are responsible or not. The BNP recruiting Sergeant gets a new conscript without leaving his armchair. It will have turned up the pressure a notch.
- It is irrelevant that the person on this estate named on the BNP list may not even be a member of the BNP. We have no proof that the list is either accurate or genuine. If this has been brought about by some fifth column working in the party, who knows who they have stuck on the list to settle some personal vendetta. It will have turned up the pressure a notch.
Already those little stones are picking up snow, and we've only had one incident. All it takes tonight is some white bloke to get a thump outside a kebab shop and blame it on the 'coons or the pakis', all it takes tonight is some drunken lout who decides to pay his Asian taxi driver with a smack in the mouth rather than a tenner, and the stones pick up more snow. It doesn't matter that one is a liar and the other is an idiot, is it seen as reprisals or a concerted campaign, and it can only escalate.
Real, real danger of large scale civic disorder. The line between order and chaos is a micron thin. The electricity goes out and looting begins. The shops run out of bread and riots erupt. A white man gets stabbed by a black man, the next day three black men get shot by one white man. What next? A mini-van full of football supporters? A church choir on a bus? The church itself on a Sunday morning?
I watched Question Time last night and was aghast at the complacency of the 'established' parties. Saying they didn't want kids being politicised in the classroom, when they are putting Fabians in the classroom. Sneering as they consistently referred to the BNP as a 'legal' political party. Are there any illegal ones? Why? How can there be in a democracy? The inescapable feeling that they were just itching for an excuse to ban them.
Then who? UKIP? The Libertarians? The Socialist Workers? The Greens? That's them out of the way. Hmmmm, they still find Sinn Fein, UDP, Plaid Cymru and the SNP objectionable. They'll be got rid of. The Tories and Labour could get enough votes in the house to ban the Lib Dems, why not?
I despise the BNP and no doubt their members would find my political views reprehensible. The difference between us is that I appreciate the need for these people to be able to hold their views, no matter how strongly I disagree with them. I'm afraid I can't say the same for them.
But their popularity is easily explained. Take every election night as dinner time. Every dinner time you have a choice of spaghetti bolognese, or meatballs and pasta, or pasta in tomato sauce. Who wouldn't get fed up of it? Who wouldn't go and find something else to eat and try to order off menu?
BNP membership and voters are not the fault of the BNP and racists, they are the fault of the main political parties who will not listen, who will not react to the wishes of their constituents, who will continue to unthinkingly impose their will on the country because they have a 'mandate' and a 'common purpose.'
It was they who sat at the top of that mountain, and gave those little stones a kick without giving it a thought.
The gist of the article is that people like the moronic Brian Reade have been able to pick on vilified individuals like smokers, drinkers, the obese, Daniel O'Donnell fans, etc without any fear of reprisals as they are but individuals. There may be many like them, but they have no association. The problem begins when you incite violence against an organisation that has a good number of members and even more non-member supporters, they will respond in an organised fashion and it can only escalate. It is the few little stones slipping at the top of the mountain that results in the catastrophic avalanche at the bottom.
The little stones have slipped.
A car has been burned out on an estate (that apparently has no history of such activities) on a road, outside a house of one of those who was listed on the BNP membership document that was leaked.
- It is irrelevant that the car may not have belonged to a BNP member. It will have turned up the pressure a notch.
- It is irrelevant that those who set light to it may not be members of any black radical group. The real perpetrator is unlikely to identify themselves, the perception will be that it was someone who is a member of, or sympathetic to black radical groups. It will have turned up the pressure a notch.
- It is irrelevant that the person on this estate may have a wife, children, elderly relatives, now angry and fearful for their property and their lives. It will have turned up the pressure a notch.
- It is irrelevant that this guy's next door neighbour has seen his car torched, it doesn't belong to the BNP member. He now feels anger towards this anonymous group, whether they are responsible or not. The BNP recruiting Sergeant gets a new conscript without leaving his armchair. It will have turned up the pressure a notch.
- It is irrelevant that the person on this estate named on the BNP list may not even be a member of the BNP. We have no proof that the list is either accurate or genuine. If this has been brought about by some fifth column working in the party, who knows who they have stuck on the list to settle some personal vendetta. It will have turned up the pressure a notch.
Already those little stones are picking up snow, and we've only had one incident. All it takes tonight is some white bloke to get a thump outside a kebab shop and blame it on the 'coons or the pakis', all it takes tonight is some drunken lout who decides to pay his Asian taxi driver with a smack in the mouth rather than a tenner, and the stones pick up more snow. It doesn't matter that one is a liar and the other is an idiot, is it seen as reprisals or a concerted campaign, and it can only escalate.
Real, real danger of large scale civic disorder. The line between order and chaos is a micron thin. The electricity goes out and looting begins. The shops run out of bread and riots erupt. A white man gets stabbed by a black man, the next day three black men get shot by one white man. What next? A mini-van full of football supporters? A church choir on a bus? The church itself on a Sunday morning?
I watched Question Time last night and was aghast at the complacency of the 'established' parties. Saying they didn't want kids being politicised in the classroom, when they are putting Fabians in the classroom. Sneering as they consistently referred to the BNP as a 'legal' political party. Are there any illegal ones? Why? How can there be in a democracy? The inescapable feeling that they were just itching for an excuse to ban them.
Then who? UKIP? The Libertarians? The Socialist Workers? The Greens? That's them out of the way. Hmmmm, they still find Sinn Fein, UDP, Plaid Cymru and the SNP objectionable. They'll be got rid of. The Tories and Labour could get enough votes in the house to ban the Lib Dems, why not?
I despise the BNP and no doubt their members would find my political views reprehensible. The difference between us is that I appreciate the need for these people to be able to hold their views, no matter how strongly I disagree with them. I'm afraid I can't say the same for them.
But their popularity is easily explained. Take every election night as dinner time. Every dinner time you have a choice of spaghetti bolognese, or meatballs and pasta, or pasta in tomato sauce. Who wouldn't get fed up of it? Who wouldn't go and find something else to eat and try to order off menu?
BNP membership and voters are not the fault of the BNP and racists, they are the fault of the main political parties who will not listen, who will not react to the wishes of their constituents, who will continue to unthinkingly impose their will on the country because they have a 'mandate' and a 'common purpose.'
It was they who sat at the top of that mountain, and gave those little stones a kick without giving it a thought.
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